Oh my gosh, I've just been reading some feminist essays from the 90's about how "privilege" politics destroyed women's community/organizing. Because women started evaluating each other based on perceived benefits/challenges instead of what they were actually saying. It created another hierarchy. And you're right, it is WAY too simplistic and gets further dumbed down in the modern era by algorithms and hot takes.
It was only a matter of time before men could hop on board and just torch women with it.
"Cis privilege" was invented to directly contest and overwrite male privilege, which has disappeared from use except among radical and lesbian feminists. It's a move to dominate and intimidate women. Thanks for highlighting this latest move to "Transmisogyny Affected" and
"Transmisogyny Exempt," which I hadn't seen before. It builds on Serano's coinage of "transmisogyny," an appropriation of meaning that defines actual trans misogyny—male women-hating—out of existence, or at least the possiblity of being understood when mentioning it.
I disagree with this comment on "cis," though: "What is worrying about this particular obsession isn't the psychological impact on women, as they are largely unaware of this dynamic." That's part of the problem; it has a terrible effect on women whether they are aware of it or not. It is used to compel submission and compliance, to intimidate and silence women from speaking about our oppression. It is used in fact to negate our oppression, and to divide women.
If a child is being abused by both his parents he can scream “Privilege!” at the kid who is only being abused by one parent. It’s a tool in the Oppression Olympics to score Victim Points through the questionable use of the concept of “intersectionality.”
As a nurse I was taught that everyone’s pain is unique (physical pain). There is no benefit in trying to decide which patient’s pain is “worse.” They are both in pain.
The term “privilege” is used to try to rank “pain” (or the full effect of challenges an individual may be facing based on race or sex or economic factors). It is why low income whites get rightfully angry when they are expected to think about their “white privileged” status.
NO NO NO NO NO!!! You will not take away my White Cis-Gender Male (WCGM) card! I get exclusive deals, exclusive restaurant reservations, reward miles, room upgrades, first class upgrades, rental card upgrades, and 12 get out of speeding ticket annually cards with my WCGM card. And there is no annual fee!
Hello Sea Lion! It deeply me concerns me that you used a Derailing Trope as though you were totally new at being on the internet and this is your first time. Did You Know? People have written guides to spotting derailing on internet feminist spaces since the very early 2000s. Maybe even before you were born.
Sealioning is a distinct trope in itself but is related to:
Where did you get your degree?
What about the men?
Not all men!
That's divisive!
Your argument has merit but you could be more polite about it.
Why does this topic trigger you so much?
This topic has some merit but I'm concerned about your tone.
See also: whataboutism. red herring fallacy, tone-policing, concern-trolling
Notice how you didn't point out any specific claims that upset your feels?
Of all the misogyny infused into gender ideology, the myth of "cis privilege" is the most odious.
I abhor the oppression Olympics; the patriarchy is eating us all alive. My takeaway: NO COMPLIANCE, silence is our shared enemy.
Oh my gosh, I've just been reading some feminist essays from the 90's about how "privilege" politics destroyed women's community/organizing. Because women started evaluating each other based on perceived benefits/challenges instead of what they were actually saying. It created another hierarchy. And you're right, it is WAY too simplistic and gets further dumbed down in the modern era by algorithms and hot takes.
It was only a matter of time before men could hop on board and just torch women with it.
"Cis privilege" was invented to directly contest and overwrite male privilege, which has disappeared from use except among radical and lesbian feminists. It's a move to dominate and intimidate women. Thanks for highlighting this latest move to "Transmisogyny Affected" and
"Transmisogyny Exempt," which I hadn't seen before. It builds on Serano's coinage of "transmisogyny," an appropriation of meaning that defines actual trans misogyny—male women-hating—out of existence, or at least the possiblity of being understood when mentioning it.
I disagree with this comment on "cis," though: "What is worrying about this particular obsession isn't the psychological impact on women, as they are largely unaware of this dynamic." That's part of the problem; it has a terrible effect on women whether they are aware of it or not. It is used to compel submission and compliance, to intimidate and silence women from speaking about our oppression. It is used in fact to negate our oppression, and to divide women.
But what about the cotton ceiling? Kek
I need to come up with some concept that will let me participate in oppression olympics without trooning.
> While there may be some obvious discomfort and discrimination against trans-identified men
Why is discomfort wrong? People have the right to be uncomfortable with any group: men, women, TIMs, TIFs, weebs, soldiers, cops, doctors, etc.
If a child is being abused by both his parents he can scream “Privilege!” at the kid who is only being abused by one parent. It’s a tool in the Oppression Olympics to score Victim Points through the questionable use of the concept of “intersectionality.”
As a nurse I was taught that everyone’s pain is unique (physical pain). There is no benefit in trying to decide which patient’s pain is “worse.” They are both in pain.
The term “privilege” is used to try to rank “pain” (or the full effect of challenges an individual may be facing based on race or sex or economic factors). It is why low income whites get rightfully angry when they are expected to think about their “white privileged” status.
It’s a social justice manipulation.
NO NO NO NO NO!!! You will not take away my White Cis-Gender Male (WCGM) card! I get exclusive deals, exclusive restaurant reservations, reward miles, room upgrades, first class upgrades, rental card upgrades, and 12 get out of speeding ticket annually cards with my WCGM card. And there is no annual fee!
I can't help but notice you make a lot of controversial, potentially harmful claims without evidence. Do you have sources for your points?
Hello Sea Lion! It deeply me concerns me that you used a Derailing Trope as though you were totally new at being on the internet and this is your first time. Did You Know? People have written guides to spotting derailing on internet feminist spaces since the very early 2000s. Maybe even before you were born.
Sealioning is a distinct trope in itself but is related to:
Where did you get your degree?
What about the men?
Not all men!
That's divisive!
Your argument has merit but you could be more polite about it.
Why does this topic trigger you so much?
This topic has some merit but I'm concerned about your tone.
See also: whataboutism. red herring fallacy, tone-policing, concern-trolling
Notice how you didn't point out any specific claims that upset your feels?
https://medium.com/@ElaineStead/sealioning-1448061bb73a#:~:text=Sealioning%20refers%20to%20a%20type,ignorance%20of%20the%20subject%20matter.
I can be more specific, if you'd like. When have "trans-identified men ruined events and spaces meant for women"?